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Section sizes

Section size for Labour Party (UK) (37 sections)
Section name	Byte count	Section total
(Top)	14,127	14,127
History	113	87,849
Origins to 1890s	1,167	1,167
Labour Representation Committee (1900–1906)	1,648	1,648
Early years (1906–1923)	3,372	3,372
Labour forms a government (1923–1924)	1,643	1,643
The failed general strike (1926–1929)	1,129	1,129
Second Labour Ministry in 1929 and failures in 1930s	4,361	4,361
Wartime coalition (1940–1945)	1,443	1,443
Attlee government (1945–1951)	4,748	4,748
Internal feuds (1951–1964)	1,688	1,688
Wilson as leader (1964–1974)	3,682	3,682
Majority to minority (1974–1979)	2,180	2,180
Thatcherism and Labour's civil war (1979–1992)	3,405	3,405
Modernisers take charge (1992–1997)	3,721	3,721
New Labour (1994–2010)	15,145	15,145
Opposition (2010–2024)	28,763	28,763
Return to government (2024–present)	9,641	9,641
Ideology	9,197	14,602
Symbols	5,405	5,405
Constitution and structure	4,149	25,963
Membership and registered supporters	9,457	12,575
Northern Ireland	3,118	3,118
Trade union link	4,693	4,693
European and international affiliation	4,546	4,546
Election results	559	26,213
UK general election results	25,654	25,654
Leadership	17	7,484
Leaders of the Labour Party since 1906	2,573	2,573
Deputy Leaders of the Labour Party since 1922	973	973
Leaders in the House of Lords since 1924	1,203	1,203
Labour Prime Ministers	2,718	2,718
See also	400	400
References	1,024	1,024
Bibliography	10,304	10,304
Further reading	3,495	3,495
External links	1,061	1,061
Total	192,522	192,522

SDLP

for ages this has listed the SDLP as an 'affiliation' without any sort of source or clarification, I've tried in vain to find any sort of evidence of there being an agreement between the two parties, and it seems like maybe there used to be one. Either way I don't think this should be included 2A02:C7C:9B36:7D00:C58D:1481:4E26:17F0 (talk) 23:47, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It says that Labour supports the SDLP in NI, not that they are affiliated. The claim, made in the body of the lead is supported. It explains why Labour does not run candidates in NI and why they tell people to vote SDLP if they are asked who to vote for in NI. TFD (talk) 08:04, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

no, it says " 2A02:C7C:9B36:7D00:6CF3:E6F8:D777:14A0 (talk) 01:17, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

for some reason this didn't go through how I typed it, but it says "Other Affiliations: Social Democratic Labour Party (Northern Ireland)". Which is an unsupported and incorrect claim. 2A02:C7C:9B36:7D00:6CF3:E6F8:D777:14A0 (talk) 01:18, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Historical ideology

Hello everyone. I would like to ask you, should Democratic socialism be added as a historical ideology of labour party? There is a lot of sources that say Labor was originally democratic socialist party but it became more moderate over time. WhoIsCentreLeft (talk) 12:55, 5 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: (summoned by bot). Thanks for asking. Has there already been a discussion topic on this? Please link it above. Dw31415 (talk) 13:49, 5 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No. This is the first discussion about adding historical ideology. WhoIsCentreLeft (talk) 16:30, 5 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@WhoIsCentreLeft I believe you have misunderstood the purpose of an RfC – they are more of a "last resort" to resolve larger issues than simply a venue to ask questions. For this reason, it is recommended to try discussing a topic before opening an RfC (see WP:RFCBEFORE). I have removed the RfC tag here – editors may still weigh in with their opinions, but if this hasn't been discussed before we don't need to frame it as an RfC. Toadspike [Talk] 17:19, 5 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, my mistake. WhoIsCentreLeft (talk) 17:28, 5 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment (Summoned by bot): The infobox is lengthy as it is. Not every last detail needs to go into the infobox. TarnishedPath^talk 23:27, 5 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have a source? The term democratic socialism came into use during the Cold War to distinguish socialist parties from communist ones.[1] The Labour Party adopted the term democratic socialism in its 1995 change to Clause IV. The ideology of the party has remained the same since then. TFD (talk) 23:48, 5 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I’m sure they historically were more of a democratic socialist party, I’ll try to find a source Brandon4433 (talk) 01:37, 17 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! WhoIsCentreLeft (talk) 21:07, 17 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

What happened to the comment box debating Labour's position on the political compass? Anyway, I have this to share:

I recall wiki editors were debating on removing 'center left' from Labour's page. Can someone point me to that talk box?

https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/who-are-blue-labour-really 2A00:23C5:EDB1:1:58BA:F35:6C25:41AC (talk) 10:57, 22 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Labour is no longer a center-left party given their political choices and ways on handling the economy and shouldn’t be called as such. They are right wing neo/liberalists. OAngelo0 (talk) 10:55, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have reliable sources using this description? Yue🌙 17:19, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

British English

I'm not sure how these things work but would it be reasonable to stick to British English in an article specifically pertaining to a British subject? I always find it quite messy to have different dialects within the same page but when the subject is wholly British, it does seem like that would justify preferring one dialect over all others. NESMRTNOST (talk) 09:13, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It says at the top of this page that the article is written in British English, so feel free to make any changes necessary. Editors can choose any version of English they prefer for articles, but British English seems most appropriate for this one. TFD (talk) 10:10, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Political Position

I don’t really think that it’s right to call the Labour Party centre-left anymore, especially after the recent welfare reforms, and their move away from traditional social democratic tax and spend economics. I think it would be better to call them a centrist party 2A06:61C1:D433:0:21E7:8023:136B:20F4 (talk) 00:35, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

While I agree, I believe you will be hard pressed to find reliable, neutral, independent sources that characterise them as such. The Labour Party is hard to pin down as its ideology has changed a number of times over the past 15-20 years, and many good reliable sources still refer to the Labour Party when it held different beliefs than it does now. Even in 2024 under Starmer, the Labour Party Rule Book still identifies the party as a "democratic socialist" party despite the actions its taken in government suggesting otherwise. I have never taken part in creating a page where I had to decide how to characterise a party on the political spectrum, so I'd be interested in hearing from more experienced members. At the end of the day, however, I believe it's just going to come down to finding those reliable sources. Ashleyisvegan (talk) 22:13, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

New stance in UK

Labour is pro-European stance. 85.107.95.134 (talk) 15:19, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]